Talk Out of School

Diane Ravitch on her political evolution & unprecedented damage being done by Donald Trump

Episode Summary

Leonie interviews Diane Ravitch, famed education scholar, historian and advocate, about her evolution from a neo-conservative thinker to a progressive leader in the fight to save public education, and what she thinks about Donald Trump's attempt to attack and dismantle education at nearly every level.

Episode Notes

Politico, Zohran Mamdani leads general election poll for NYC mayor, https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/09/zohran-mamdani-leads-general-election-poll-00443469

AI in the classroom, Presentation at Network for Public Education conference, April 6, 2025,  https://studentprivacymatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/AI-for-NPE-final-.pdf

AFT press release, AFT to Launch National Academy for AI Instruction with Microsoft, OpenAI, Anthropic and United Federation of Teachers, https://www.aft.org/press-release/aft-launch-national-academy-ai-instruction-microsoft-openai-anthropic-and-united

AFT press conference, https://www.youtube.com/live/s1WWs_fZwAc?si=4nqqGR4UxfoPNjBC

NYTimes, OpenAI and Microsoft Bankroll New A.I. Training for Teachers, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/08/technology/chatgpt-teachers-openai-microsoft.html  

NY Times, A Classroom Experiment, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/09/briefing/artificial-intelligence-education-students.html

Julian Vasquez Heilig, AI Code Red: Supercharging Racism, Rewriting History, and Hijacking Learning, https://cloakinginequity.com/2025/06/20/code-red-how-ai-is-set-to-supercharge-racism-rewrite-history-and-hijack-learning/  

Diane Ravitch, An Education: How I Changed My Mind About Schools and Almost Everything Else, preorder at https://cup.columbia.edu/book/an-education/9780231220293/

Science, Senate spending panel would rescue science funding,  https://www.science.org/content/article/senate-spending-panel-would-rescue-nsf-and-nasa-science-funding